Do we really require, hundreds of elaborate & contradictory Religions,

conflicting ideologies, muddled philosophical theories,

Gurus, Religious/Spiritual books just to learn love, kindness, empathy, compassion, peace, tranquility and brotherhood?.

yes yes yes, we do require all in the same way like we require the variety of food, including fast food, junk food , till we taste the ultimate sweetest tastiest best amrit ,

 ie till the experience of the self realization is gained directly authentically , the requirement does exist, human moving from one thing to a better thing till he reaches the best and these intermediate things do inspire to search more, one having their worthlessness

 

'' Are we so dim that we find it difficult to learn or be aware of it by ourselves, or is it that someone feeds on our ignorance/apathy? Or is it both?'

 

'yes yes yes , we are so dim, it is both since man is born as ignorant by default , he requires to be born again , as dwija, twice born , having gained a glimpse of the pure self one is in his deepest core ''

Have we learned it, in spite of all the puzzling resources?

no we did not learn

it is not possible to learn and know the life of living in wisdom in spite of all the puzzling resources without self realization ''

 If not then, what could be the reason?''

self realization alone provides the ultimate zoom out view , the total unifying perspective which removes all the enigmas surmises dogmas , makes them totally superfluous

 

i repeat , as long as self realization is not gained , negativity persists

once gained , love friendship, myness, unity, acceptance, tolerance, all virtues flood into the life of individuals , and more such individuals create a heaven on earth by their living the state of heightened consciousness till then ''that which cannot be helped , must be endured' 

'the easiest other alternative is explore and find a guru who can show the way to get the experience of self realization easily and early and such masters , yes they are available , and in plenty"

"Spark must be real look alike glow worm no help"

 

"There are plenty of such initiatives adding to the collective consciousness, they are all required to bring about an avalanche of change , yes i used the right word avalanche , it is going to happen , thru more and more individuals meditate in bigger and bigger groups !% of the square root of world population, ie 7,000 plus is the minimum critical figure needed as per science research

iova experiment is an example"

"Self realization is a slow process

with guru guidance it is almost instantaneous to get lit ie the spark , first

 it takes time to become the fire the flame and the wild fire to engulf the universe

my blog on'' bhagavathi chethana'' gives the stages from start to end can be accelerated by intensifying the sadhana for faster results 7000 enlightened individuals meditating in a group can transform the world consciousness maharishi experiment at iova proved this"

"Can we have this chethna at the early age of childhood?

right time is when kids enter the adolescence , when their personality starts blossoming , the experience of the self is to be given , which acts as the core nourishment at root level, leading to flowering of all virtues as a total package unfolded. vivek / virtues cannot be taught, the kid should be taught how to access the inside source of all virtues, suguna nidhi, and how to activate them moral teaching has only surface effect,

 that is why the tradition of upanayana sanskar, to make the inner eye, the third eye of shiva, the awareness to ope

we missed ,, yet we can start now and quickly recover the lost time, by intense sadhana only when you yourself get the experience of what self realization is , then you will know its meaning and ultimate value and significance for a virtuous natural life yet you cannot teach it

for that you must be a qualified trained preceptor if not results will not come

so

1 learn meditation, practice it

2 undergo advanced courses, become eligible to undergo teacher training

3 undergo teacher training,

4 become a qualified preceptor

5 teach / guide kids and adults

i am not a preceptor yet, i was qualified only to conduct group meditation and guide meditators in the right practice"

  dwelling on past and future also happens -------only in the present moment----in fact, the whole life , eating, breathing, working, playing, singing, thinking, all aspects of living happen only in the present moment

what ever we may be doing, all moment by moment , happens in the present moment

what exists is only the present moment , past is gone, future not come
if so ,then , why to try and struggle to aspire for living in the present moment ----not at all necessary,

 

we are in fact, living in the present moment, whole life , moment to moment

 Deepam jyothi paramjyothi

deepena harathe papam

sandhyadeepam namosthuthe

this deepam is for 3sandhyas

morning midday evenning

deepam is symbolic to represent the light of the transcendent absolute

  divine dance --what how why when where happens 

dance is a great subject, great in depth, intricate in detail, great in tradition, great artists flourished, great gharanas, lines like bharath,kuchipudi, kathak, ..countless, including the folk dances evolved.

requires rigorous discipline and sustained practice

an able artist sways the audience spell bound

blessed are the dancers and dance masters

however, routinely, dancing expertly, the best dance artist on the stage, entertains audience, his mind with concern on the accuracy,  to some extent the  response, the claps, and also justifiably on  the awards rewards, also some publicity...one deserves

this all is good, welcome , this being on the earth plane

but some thing more,,,,,,,

what is divine dance

it's not action or inaction 

it's silence in action

.In the high state of purity, one gains the ability to express things cognized in other lokas, which can not be expressed and communicated fully in words--but need the accurate body language abhinaya, mudra, bhangima,

supposing one enters vishnu loka and experiences the presence of lakshmi, that experience is a cognition --

how she is , her face, her standing, her sitting, her hands, her palms, her movements---all these requires a much higher vocabulary of body language , 

it can be conveyed thru body language only -

and the state of divinity in which lakshmi is can be conveyed only in that state thru energies activating the relevant nerves to express those details

divine dance ----differs from usual dance forms including classical/traditional/modern----

differs from drill / exercise/ physical fitness movements/ routine day to day movements of limbs, organs

not necessarily in conformity with  natya shasthras or suthras ,

it goes beyond the usual definition of granthas

nor result of rigorous practice of dance lessons

if it appears to conform to any rules, it is incidental, but in its manifestation, the rules of dance are cognized and they become the guide

where it happens

essentially divine dance is an experience of existence in higher lokas, while one may be in any loka, including manava loka

supreme is his audience, his reward

how

we should understand most fundamental of how achara becomes chara, how  non moving starts moving 

how silence manifests as activity, where is its starting point

consciousness has infinite potential --potential energy--sath---has possibility to express in infinite ways in infinite channels

human , being a product of that creative intelligence, has infinite potential to receive and express the creativity. 

due to non use or limited use / not knowing how to use the full potential, that energy gets displayed only in routine, but very few channels. 

to enable full flow,  the channels of the system, ie the system of body mind nervous system has to be pure.

as the system gains purity, more channels get opened up and new expressions come out

why it happens

divine dance is a result of purification , the expression flowing in novel ways thru new channels,  creative intelligence expressing itself in the best possible way, with least effort and no resistance, from  imposition 

the contact with source never lost, the silence , the nonaction pervading the action, dance continues

when

key condition being the purity of the system, it happens at any stage, but manifesting in beauty, novelty, intensity in proportionate to the potential energy gained in purity

at any time in the day/night in any season but in tune with nature, creating some times  its own environ

did you witness

1 recalling one ''balanjaneya'' in kasapuram, guntakal, ap known for anjaneya temple---a young man in twenties--with long hair wearing a just a langoti, --used to stray around, attends harathi , takes little prasad and vanishes---appears during night  bhajans --dances , does not know what when how he does it--as if hanuman is dancing with ecstasy--mind in the other world----not all----suddenly he jumps like a monkey to the temple roof top --ordinary man cannot do that---even he cannot when on earth plane ---goes up on the gopuram dances there comes down --now goes to a nearby tree swiftly climbs up and on the top branch sits and swings to the tune, comes down --again  is in the bhajan  his eyes semi closed appearing as if a perverted--evokes awe respect

during his normal state he just smiles, does not talk much and is sober like any

2 not in such intensity, yet a little nearer to this , is what  dances devotees do in bhjans in sathsangs

3 nearer experience one gains as part of training in the courses, dancing along with the participants

4 typically, in our ssy/amc, at ravirala, hyd, a participant attracted attention for his graceful walk in doing his normal movements . one asked '' are you a dancer?'' he surprised and said’ no'' and went about his work, with the same charming movements, innocently . i remember even now,

late i came to know that he is a long time meditator

5 full import is possible in the state of transcendence in the advanced stage of sadhana, when system is in unruffled silence in the vigorous activity, freed from inhibitions

the system when becomes refined to a great degree, it becomes ready to explore devaloka or any such higher lokas depending on the level of refinement. 

in other words, gods will visit ,  his system has become a holy / worthy for their entry and presence

it can also be understood as --- that he is ready to do/ in a state to do  aavaahan / invocation to devi devathas 

corollary is---in this state, he takes the name /manthra/ sthothra of a devatha---which are live links, in fact, and gains access to that loka and to the presence of devatha, devatha is pleased, gives a few of his powers/ qualities to him , his personality is charged with those qualities, and now , ---he has become that devatha in human form--but not in the same mahima, but with say 0.001% of the total mahima

6 in our spiritually rich country, one must have witnessed several examples of such ---including in our homes or in villages, in festivals / pujas,/ drum beats --some one starts behaving peculiarly, moving, shaking, talking illegibly, but surely he is under the spell of some devatha

unknowing the science behind , one grossly undervalues such things, --it is a pity---and we do every thing in the name of spirituality--pooja etc, but devatha is ignored ritual only is cared.

we are good at modern science and are convinced on being rational--not knowing the true rationality behind such phenomena

whereas every ritual pooja, vratha, theertha, yathra, sravan, manan, --all aimed rising to higher lokas and get the grace of devathas, ---it all demands the basis of purity of the system, ---and we do everything except attending to how to raise the purity level.

hence the reality of devi devathas is not really comprehended--hence a world is lost---and things have become mechanical including the  dances--with only entertainment value   , arts serving commercialism, for name fame, wealth, losing pitiably the noble track of leading to the entry in to higher lokas, 

and lokas are non existing for many, remaining mythology myth worth reading and watching in the tv/movie/media

7 i recall one bhaktha,  male, he was in the state of radha and was after kishan like radha, his gestures, his words his prayer all in the bliss of radha experiencing the love for krishna some might have seen this in tv long back 

can any one do

key is purity

meditation is the shortest way to gain 

meditate,  things follow

no matter, one is illiterate 

or an expert pandit, 

not necessary to know great scriptures 

or detailed procedures, 

irrespective of biodata or label, everyone has opportunity to grow in purity and thus be eligible to enter the world of gods and angels, and be singing and dancing with them

but let's remember , devalok is only an intermediate station for break-journey on the way to the eternal abode the parandham

as sadhana matures, one gains the ability , to easily go to the ultimate and come back to the earth plane easily, and to be in any loka in between for just the pleasure and fun of it, as per one's wish, like an expert artist , a musician for eg to play any raga once he knows the full range of swaras and practices on the keys initially

ultimate

all this write up is to say my one favorite point----

in the highest state of sadhana every movement is divine dance, every posture a divine mudra, every utterence a kaavya, every tune a raga, every step a thaala  exuding grace , filling the environ with bliss

   detail and the reality…….

reality is totality of all details

reality is whole sale'
its own detail is retail

the stuff is real, whether in totality in wholesale package,
or in small tiniest retail packet

Truth is , in every tiniest detail,

totality is hidden deep in it

universe exists packed compacted in a dust particle
yatha pinde thathaa brahmande ,,,,,,,

i exist every where

so i exist in every detail

approach me in what ever way

but you can surely reach me

go from here to there
or come from there to here

i am there with you where ever you are
i am the way the truth and the life

so i am the reality that exist in totality

or in detail triviality

 

in the ''detail'' , rom rom,  mey ram, the totality
kan kan may purna purush samahith hai

i am just airing and sharing my grasp
from my point of view ,

 

i feel it will complement the topic
more the views, more the details , more the analysis,

better and more wholesome will be the grasp on reality .
only one view of one author is not adequate

every view from every reader adds to the grasp on totality of reality
a dialog is just sharing our limited individual understanding

and thus reach to a unlimited total comprehension,

without like or unlike without trying for convincing or getting convinced

it's a free exchange unconditional ,

of  just the joy of individual discoveries

which necessarily will be different,

yet welcome

  Divinity descends down on to the shop floor on its own, not needing any one's herding, pulling, pushing, dragging, lifting , with agenda or propaganda, compulsion, force, rules, just like a plant growing, like a flower blossoming on its own , taking what ever the nourishment that is available in the surroundings, even if some one tries to oppose its dawning

Divinity sprouts from within the human, manifests as a deepest need to materialize the noblest aspirations of mind , beyond the needs for essentials, comforts, luxuries, which the person is able to fulfill thru work and remuneration and career growth

I saw its manifestation in many modes in many colleagues, no one compelling/suggesting /requesting /encouraging/ asking/discussing --all silently on its own, coolly unseen on the surface, yet happening continuously and bringing about the inevitable transformation in the men and the surrounding

I saw , no surprise, a few coming to their seat, first open a spiritual book , some put agarbathi to the god photos, some enjoy small talk on divine glories and then go about their normal duties

I saw a few people under ground basement compressor room, meditating, unmindful of its noise,

a few people kept photo under a tree , put flowers and did pooja and share prasada, and relax in each others loving company , sang little bhakthi geeth, share their intimate stories of god grace

A few people go to namaj just outside the factory compound, colleagues irrespective of religion pray allah together

a few underwent spiritual courses in the vicinity. and organised themselves as volunteers, served in the social works in the locality, took up with management, prevailed upon them to officially conduct, and it was a great success every attempt saw a great team work at workplace, a soul relation between bosses and subs , management , silently , not interfering. not encouraging, nor discouraging on the phenomena of pujas, sahasranama parayan, organised by women emloyees, just indirectly conveyed a secrete nod

A few employees meet during morning tiffin in the canteen, and discuss adi sankara, his great works and try to give interpretation on the sanskrit slokas

and during lunch time , in a manager's chamber, a few colleagues do group meditation for 15 minutes out of 30 minutes of lunch sessions

when during long walks in the factory premises, two three employees discuss spiritual mysteries when on some important official work

Another few , in the morning, as soon as they enter the factory compound, take to three rounds of walk along the big compound walls, and pick flowers and bedeck themselves

i have been a witness to this phenomena and wonderful way the god is trying to gate crash the cisf controlled premises, where the incharge of cisf breaks a coconut on every friday in his glass chamber before the photo of his deva

All this is totally voluntary , freely done , all on their own

it is in contrast with the durga puja, officially done every dasara , where participation and celebration decoration is more of a work rather than the devotion, officially under the instruction from supervisors, managers and union leaders , it is more a ritual, an ostentation just we waiting for its quick finish and ready to quit having done with

  Divya prema Samadhi

Taught to us in Sidha Samadhi Yoga course of Rishi Prabhakar

Process

-Guruparampara stuti

-Purification thru pranayam, amrutahar, light yoga asans

-Experience of dhyan Samadhi

-Action/movement in meditation

----prema is liking to the ultimate level

-keep aside all your dislikes, mentally, feelings, physically

-do not escape from discomfort, dislikes, and disadvantages

-rather accept each and every thing as a god given gift

-god has chosen the best gift in the form of various situations, circumstances,

- hence,

Do not accept as in helpless condition,

‘’I cannot avoid. So I accept’’…no

-accept every situation etc with utmost liking irrespective of whether it is good/ bad/ discomfort/disliked

-when I am liking things, I take them to my heart

…then I do things / I experience things at ultimate level / with my whole/complete involvement

-the result Is

Yad yad karma karomi thath thath akhilam shambho thava aaraadhanam

-prema Samadhi + karma = karma yoga

Ie action in sweetness

Since every act is saturated with your ultimate liking irrespective of whether it is your heart’s desire or any work assigned/chosen

  dadagiri ko babagiri se dabasakthe 

Krishna has said

 ’’arjuna stand up and fight…cowardice does not befit you ‘’….very good 

But Buddha has given a new solution, the best and practical. 

the terrorist Anguli mala simply surrendered in the presence of buddha 

Mahatma Gandhi made ahiṁsā famous when he mobilized all of India to free itself from British domination without firing a shot. 

Martin Luther King, Jr., the head of the civil rights movement in the U.S., was one of many who were influenced by Gandhi and his use of ahiṁsā to achieve social change without violence.

The Yoga Sutra describes what happens when a person is established in non-injury: “Where non-injury is established, in the vicinity of that, hostile tendencies are eliminated.” (2.35)In Sanskrit: ahiṁsā –pratishthāyāṁ tat-sannidhau vaira-tyāgaḥ. 

where is non-injury established? In the state of yoga, which is defined in the second sutra of the Yoga Sutra as the complete settling of the activity of the mind..The settled mind, the mind established in yoga, is free of injury, and the Yoga Sutra says that for this person the environment becomes free of hostility. 

St. Francis of Assisi, for instance, was famous for calming people and even animals around him by the sheer power of his love. An individual who has a mind full of peace radiates an influence of peace, and then creates a reality that is peaceful”

in Maharishi’s words, “disallows the birth of an enemy.” When enmity has been eliminated inside, there is no enemy outside. According to Maharishi, “An enemy is the lively embodiment of our own weakness.” 

"The principle of non-injury is also described in quantum physics as the Meissner Effect, which shows that a coherent system generates a field around it that is coherent. Non-coherent fields will not penetrate a coherent system. 

"In the summer of 1993, 4,000 individuals gathered in Washington, D.C., to see if practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique in groups for two months would affect the crime rate. Dr. John Hagelin, a quantum physicist, predicted that the crime rate would drop by at least 20%. The chief of police went on the evening news and said that it would take a snow blizzard in the middle of summer to accomplish that. washington-dc-meditation-peace-group 

Yet, after two months, public records showed that the crime rate dropped 23%. Since most people’s paradigm about the nature of reality is based upon classical mechanics, this experimental result seems unlikely. However, from a quantum perspective, the Washington, D.C., study follows the same principles as the Meissner Effect and was described long ago in the Yoga Sutra—“in the vicinity of yoga, hostile tendencies are eliminated.”-

"Taking it a step further, what if throughout our society there were many large groups of individuals who could do their Transcendental Meditation practice together each day to heighten the experience of Yoga?

 Imagine the possibilities. A group of school children meditate and stress levels and violence go down in the neighborhood. A group of elderly people meditate together and their city begins to be more progressive and prosperous. It’s a possibility that could yield profound results both for the individual and for society at virtually no cost, and with great “side-benefits” for each of the individuals involved. It’s worth exploring, isn’t it? 

"We are living in an epidemic of stress. Doctors report an alarming rise of stroke, hypertension, and heart disease—now called metabolic syndrome—all of which are diseases of stress. As a result, we would expect to see stressed behavior in society, and it turns out there is plenty of it: crime, domestic violence, terrorism, and war. 

Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically proven way to dissolve individual stress, and if society is composed of individuals, then it seems like common sense to use meditation to similarly defuse societal stress. And reduction in crime and stress-related behavior would then be expected to follow

"Invincible Defense Technology - An Ancient Human Resource-Based Technology A new solution proven to prevent social problems like terrorism and war is now available. In military circles it is known as Invincible Defense Technology (IDT). It is an ancient human resource-based technology of consciousness that is capable of defusing and eliminating violence and conflict. 

Extensive research has confirmed its effectiveness. This new technology is easily applied and highly cost-effective. With the practical application of the IDT, a field effect of collective consciousness can be created. The intention of the terrorist to commit a hostile act using Improvised Explosive Devices can be deflected by the more powerful influences of collective consciousness. This happens naturally, much as a superconducting magnetic field repels the influence of an intrusive external magnetic field. This latter phenomenon is called the Meissner Effect. The effect of collective consciousness is called the Maharishi Effect. It is named in honor of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the foremost exponent and scientist of consciousness known to our modern age."

  debates help

professionals usually participate in seminars / debates, and professional journals and explore the subject thoroughly  

also 

great masters like shankara, did enough debates and tarka to the ultimate limit ,  

however, i find mostly masters /  gurus / spiritual leaders do not talk to other masters generally

they like to talk to seekers,/ shishyas / followers, that too selectively, avoiding the smart and intelligent questions ,

they either escape cleverly such '' arrogant hecklers'', 

mainly for fear of exposure of their hollowness in hallow , 

built on the foundation of ignorance / innocence of  gullible masses,

they never really give a clear definite scientific logical response, simply uttering  some vague words for which they themselves are not sure, 

and finally they tend to pass the buck on god whom they do not know.

all this must end

truth wins, stands all tests, 

and just pretensions will not work

  do not underestimate ''discretion'' which distinguishes wise and fool 

man is hungry 

food is available ranging from best to the worst --all god made--

discretion also god given 

he goes for the best, not rotten 

if some one is taking rotten out of ignorance, i can pity him, i can correct him 

but the one who goes for filth ,knowingly, wantedly , willingly, unhesitatingly, even with a liking for it, and does not listen to my advice, i feel pity but i cannot help this guy, tho is god made, godman, or god himself

  Differences and similarities are due to the presence of ''uniqueness and universality'' that exists in every system, every individual, 

however, when one rises to cognizes the inherent universality existing in his own uniqueness, one will be able to harmonize all differences in his perception, no more conflicts"

"Need of our times is not ''conversion '' but a ''conversion table'' defining all the spiritual / religious terms, like we do in science, from one system to other system, without confusion or conflict 

Then only we will be able to solve the problems of life for example we have this table 1 inch =2.54 centimeters,, or 1 ounce =so many grams, and rupee to dollar etc ,"

"''Spirituality is an individual journey and therefore every journey is unique''......yes, it is unique ..it is .like a journey..by Columbus to america.or a journey ..even to mount Everest,or... to mars,by curious daring pioneers and path finders into fields unknown, unexplored, it is adventurous, uncertain, may be hazardous and arduous involving tremendous will power, commitment, indomitable spirit, many pitfalls on the way, countless wrong tracks, innumerable wasted moves only a blessed few succeeding, enabling them to move further on and on till life long.  

but but but

once the'' pioneers'' showed the right track, the ''common'' men made maps, laid roads invented vehicles,... without needing to do a ''rediscovery''....but enabled all others to trek and reach successfully and easily and quickly 

similarly,to explore more mysteries in spirituality too one need not waste one's life to learn and know afresh what is already discovered, the help from the experts makes one to quickly master the fundamentals and graduate to the higher lessons , and prepares one to launch on ''new'' ,'' original'' discoveries, and thus more and more novices are enabled to progress rapidly hence the need to systematize the plethora of spiritual paths and findings, ie in short , precisely defining and standardizing, and universalizing is the need 

why not

‘’Yardstick’’ exactly is the need in spirituality, at least now in this most modern infn technology age 

before defining and standardizing fundamental units , L M T length mass time , things were arbitrary, different, some used to measure length with reference to the length of hand, or foot or finger, or guess , and weight by hand feel, or relative difference in articles, also time by just observing the shadows etc but a few men put enough trials / effort, and f p s/ c g s,was made, and then mks,, now rationalized R MKS, or SI units were evolved 

first spirituality must evolve as a science, with precise definitions, amenable to theory and tests /practical

maharishi mahesh yogi did a attempt in his '' science of creative intelligence '' he has made whole thing scientific and results measurable precisely by modern instrumentation, those who are familiar with TM ,know this,99 names of allah in quran were correlated to the attributes of the unified field ,,.....this was done by one muslim spiritual/scientist

ravishankar srisri has done it in his book  ''hinduism and islam, the common thread''

prof hawkins too has made a good attempt in spirituality the basic yardstick is brahman, unmanifest , nirgun nirakar, pure consciousness

by using this one can differentiate who is master who is seeker and at what levels each individual is ....exactly like , in education, we know elementary, highschool , inter, graduate, post graduate, doctorate levels 

in the spirituality to there are the levels jad chethan, jagrut chethan, turia, turiateeth, daivee, brahmi levels, may be corresponding to rishi maharishi. brahmarshi etc

none need to change their religions but they will come to know where they are and how far they have to go, 

humans are unique and different, but medical/ psychological sciences are developed applicable to all kinds of humans 

IQ levels are measurable, health /fitness is measurable

similarly this attempt for systematization & standardization of Spiritual must be done on by a committee of top saints 

they must define, and a world standard must emerge

jesus ''i am the way the life and the truth'' is identified as ''aham brahmasmi'', sarvam khalvidam brahma''

''blood of jesus cleanses every sin '' is parallel to ''gyanagni dhagdha karmani, 

''blood of jesus is the pure consciousness, not the red corpuscles

Icons, idols, allegories are obscuring 

A standard tears off the delusion and makes one know one what he is, where he stands

"''The scriptures show us the path but how many have found the truth?

At any given time there are millions on the path but how many have reached the ultimate?'

'since "The proof of the pudding is in the eating"  the very fact that not all, but a very few could reach the ultimate ....is the very reason for more scientific result oriented approach needed , though putting mental/ physical effort and strain, the goal is not reached, benefit not got since humanity is on the wrong track, guidance is faulty/ not clear/ confusing, / ineffective/ unwise 

i did a study of a few teachings and systems and find there is enough scope to make a table of all religions and teachings and show the equivalents, some sankara teachings are coinciding with marati saints like tukaram , meera etc some with milton, William blake, emerson "

more can be thus harmonized, and assimilated to one’s benefit 

  Dhanyosmi.

you see the manifestation of love in you --- instantly ----by your precious glance at and genuine evaluation of my scribble

and

my experiencing it , ----instantly----and declaring its reality with an exclamation dhanyosmi 

god in reality is time

time in reality is now

now in reality is the present moment 

spirituality in reality is love

love in reality is the experience of present moment

 

What is the definition of love that is being referred here

 

Why love should take time why not immediately?

how time is related with love's manifestation?

why not explore its instant possibility?

think more, do not skip

if you skip, opportunity to discover is gone

 

So love is instantaneous, it does not take time 

do you want experience divine love instantly?

just ask me how

  debates

professionals usually participate in seminars / debates, and professional journals and explre the subject thoroughly  also great masters like shankara, did enough debates and tarka to the ultimate limit ,  however, i find mostly masters /  gurus / spiritual leaders do not talk to other masters generally 

they like to talk to seekers,/ shishyas / followers, that too selectively, avoiding the smart and intelligent questions ,

they either escape cleverly such '' arrogant hecklers'', mainly for fear of exposure of their hollowness in hallow , built on the foundation of ignorance / innocence of  gullible masses,

they never really give a clear definite scientific logical response, simply uttering  some vague words for which they themselves are not sure, and finally they tend to pass the buck on god whom they did not know.

all this must end

truth wins, stands all tests, and just pretensions will not work 

  Dwaitha evolves in to adwaitha

adwaitha details down to dwaitha,

down to countless thathvas

and infinite mathas

infinite mathas evolve in countless thatvas

which evolve into dwaitha

that evolves to adwaitha

and process continues

diversity to unity

unity to diversity

god in unity creates infinite diversity

each item in diversity evolves in to final unity

universe is expanding somewhere

contracting somewhere

we are detailing things 

or we are summing up details

march is upward

and downward

all is forward

it's reward